subgroupoids of V-categories
Hi all, For general V (closed symmetric monoidal, bicomplete), is there a general way to construct the maximal subgroupoid of a V-category C? I think I know how to *detect* the maximal subgroupoid. A map in C is an isomorphism iff it is representably so: Writing 1 for the monoidal unit, we say f : 1 -> C(x,y) is an iso iff the induced map f_* : C(z,x) -> C(z,y) is an iso in V for all z. So we might say that a V-category G with the same objects and C and an identity-on-objects local monomorphism G -> C is the maximal subgroupoid provided that a morphism f factors through G(x,y) -> C(x,y) just when f is an isomorphism. In examples, this is probably good enough, but I still would feel better if I had a general construction of the maximal subgroupoid. I feel like this should be some sort of weighted limit, perhaps with some additional structure on V? Thanks, Emily [For admin and other information see: http://www.mta.ca/~cat-dist/ ]
Dear Emily, I'm sure someone else will have pointed this out by now, but it seems quite unlikely that the maximal subgroupoid has a V-enrichment in general! For instance, suppose V is the category of pointed sets: then a V-category is simply a category with a system of distinguished zero morphisms, but a zero morphism is hardly ever an isomorphism. (Of course, one might argue that the maximal V-subgroupoid _does_ in fact exist and is the full subcategory of zero objects, but that seems quite uninteresting.) Perhaps things are better if we focus on those categories V which are sufficiently Set-like. Suppose V has pullbacks and the "forgetful" functor U : V -> Set is an isofibration (= transportable functor) and has a fully faithful right adjoint. Then, for any injective map f : X -> U B in Set, there exists a monomorphism g : A -> B in V such that f = U g and for any morphism h : C -> B in V such that U h = f k in Set, there is a unique morphism m : C -> A with k = U m and h = g m. For example, if V = Top, this is just the construction of the subspace topology on a subset, and if V = sSet, this constructs the maximal simplicial subset containing a fixed subset of vertices. It is clear how to use this to make the set of isomorphisms between two objects in a V-category into a V-object. Composition is inherited if U is strongly monoidal: the universal property of these "initial lifts" gives the required factorisations. And there is nothing special about the maximal subgroupoid: this construction works for any subcategory whatsoever. I suppose one could also work "internally" in the cartesian monoidal case and try to define the V-object of isomorphisms by pulling back the "name" of the identity morphism along composition and then projecting down to one of the factors. But I don't see how to generalise this to the non-cartesian case. Best wishes, -- Zhen Lin [For admin and other information see: http://www.mta.ca/~cat-dist/ ]
Dear Emily, The following seems relevant to the question and Zhen's answer. A related question is how to obtain a maximal subgroup object of a monoid object wrt tensor in a monoidal category. A particular case concerned is in 59. (with N.D. GILBERT), ``Algebraic models of 3-types and automorphism structures for crossed modules'', {\em Proc. London Math. Soc.} (3) 59 (1989) 51-73. where the monoidal closed category is XMod, that of crossed modules over groupoids, with internal hom written XMOD. For an object C one can define END(C)= XMOD(C,C), but what should be AUT(C)? In this example there is a functor say U: XMod \to Set which takes the zero dimensional part. We then define AUT(C) to be the part of END(C) over the maximal subgroup of END(C)_0. This is a "group-like object". One argument for this is that the nerve N(C) of an object C is a simplicial set, so N(END(C)) is a simplicial monoid; it turns out that N(AUT(C)) is a simplicial group, which gives a kind of justification. The above ideas extend to crossed complexes, using Andy Tonks extension of the Eilenberg-Zilber Theorem from chain complexes to crossed complexes. All this was part of the following scheme for "higher order symmetry" (with applications to .....?!), which clearly should be part of "higher order group theory": sets give models of homotopy 0-types; the automorphisms of a set form a group which is a model of (pointed, connected) homotopy 1-types (ancient history); the automorphisms of a group form (part of the structure of) a crossed module which is a model of (pointed, connected) homotopy 2-types (Mac Lane-Whitehead); and in the above paper: the automorphisms of a crossed module form (part of the structure of) a crossed square, (see also a paper of Norrie), which is a model of (pointed, connected) 3-types (Loday); the automorphisms of a crossed square form ......... (???) Best wishes Ronnie On 19/11/2013 18:51, Emily Riehl wrote:
Hi all,
For general V (closed symmetric monoidal, bicomplete), is there a general way to construct the maximal subgroupoid of a V-category C?
I think I know how to *detect* the maximal subgroupoid. A map in C is an isomorphism iff it is representably so: Writing 1 for the monoidal unit, we say f : 1 -> C(x,y) is an iso iff the induced map f_* : C(z,x) -> C(z,y) is an iso in V for all z. So we might say that a V-category G with the same objects and C and an identity-on-objects local monomorphism G -> C is the maximal subgroupoid provided that a morphism f factors through G(x,y) -> C(x,y) just when f is an isomorphism.
In examples, this is probably good enough, but I still would feel better if I had a general construction of the maximal subgroupoid. I feel like this should be some sort of weighted limit, perhaps with some additional structure on V?
Thanks, Emily
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Hi Emily, I'm a bit worried about the notion of "local monomorphism". If V is, say, a poset, then every arrow in it is (tautologously) monic, and therefore every V-functor is a local monomorphism. Let us consider, for instance, generalised metric spaces. Suppose C has two vertices, p and q, with C(p,q)=0 and C(q,p)=oo (infinity). Then, for any e>0, we can choose G_e with G_e(p,q)=e and G(q,p)=oo, and the identity-on-objects functor G_e --> C has the property you desire. [I'm sure you realise that the definition of "isomorphism" you gave is equivalent to that of "isomorphism in the underlying category"; the underlying category of C is "the arrow", whereas that of G_e is discrete.] So "the maximal subgroupoid" of C is not defined uniquely, except up to "equivalence of underlying category". Moreover, whenever e>d>0, the i-o-o functor G_e --> C factors through G_d, so there is not even an "optimal" choice of e. More precisely, if one were to define a V-groupoid to be a V-category whose underlying category is a groupoid (which is, implicitly, what you seem to be doing), then I've just shown that the forgetful functor from [0,oo]-groupoids to [0,oo]-categories does not have a right adjoint. Of course, I think it would be better to define a V-groupoid in a more Hopf-y kind of way---e.g., in terms of what one might call a co-Maltsev operation---but that might not suit your purposes, and would seem to make things much more difficult, at least in general. Cheers, Jeff. -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 11/19/13, Emily Riehl <eriehl@math.harvard.edu> wrote: Subject: categories: subgroupoids of V-categories To: "Categories" <categories@mta.ca> Received: Tuesday, November 19, 2013, 1:51 PM Hi all, For general V (closed symmetric monoidal, bicomplete), is there a general way to construct the maximal subgroupoid of a V-category C? I think I know how to *detect* the maximal subgroupoid. A map in C is an isomorphism iff it is representably so: Writing 1 for the monoidal unit, we say f : 1 -> C(x,y) is an iso iff the induced map f_* : C(z,x) -> C(z,y) is an iso in V for all z. So we might say that a V-category G with the same objects and C and an identity-on-objects local monomorphism G -> C is the maximal subgroupoid provided that a morphism f factors through G(x,y) -> C(x,y) just when f is an isomorphism. In examples, this is probably good enough, but I still would feel better if I had a general construction of the maximal subgroupoid. I feel like this should be some sort of weighted limit, perhaps with some additional structure on V? Thanks, Emily [For admin and other information see: http://www.mta.ca/~cat-dist/ ]
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