Re: covering spaces and groupoids
Dear Bill, You ask: In the applications of algebraic topology to topology, where do the ‘basepoints’ originate? I'd like to give a different type of answer to that suggested in your list. (yet another is : whoopee, we have a group!) After I first thought of the van Kampen theorem for the whole fundamental groupoid I realised one wanted *computation*, and the whole fundamental groupoid of a space was too big for that. The fundamental group at a base point was too small in may cases, such as the circle. The solution that seemed right to me, and which took a while to find, was the fundamental groupoid on a set of base points chosen conveniently according to the geometry of a given situation. Eldon Dyer said I ought to take a hard line on this: if the connected space X is the union of 127 open sets whose intersections have 3,272 components, you do not want to take a single base point! Such situations (even with infinitely many components) occur in group theory applications, and analogously in topology in connected covering spaces over a union of 2 open sets. I advocated the fundamental groupoid on a set of base points in my 1968 book `Elements of Modern Topology', but this concept has I think not been mentioned in any later date algebraic topology text in English by other authors. Also group theorists are happy with graphs and free groups, but are very wary of the free groupoid on a graph! The only new result from that book that has been taken up is the gluing theorem for homotopy equivalences, but its origin is usually unacknowledged. Looking at the way this groupoid van Kampen theorem could be used, it seemed amazing to me that one could obtain *complete* information on a fundamental group by deducing that from knowledge of a larger structure, for which one had colimit information, whereas my tries with nonabelian cohomology gave only exact sequences. It seems that groupoids have the advantages of structure in dimensions 0 and 1, and that this is needed for what Grothendieck later called `integration of homotopy types'. Could one find analogous objects with structure in dimensions 0, 1, ...,n? This question led (after many years, and with fortunate collaborations) to higher dimensional van Kampen theorems, which gave quite new information on homotopy invariants, some of them nonabelian, e.g. second relative homotopy groups, triad homotopy groups, n-adic Hurewicz Theorems. Such results were published in 1978, 1981 (with Higgins), 1987 (with Loday). These theorems are, I think, not even mentioned in any texts on algebraic topology (except mine). Some current writers (Faria Martins, Kauffman, Ellis, Mikhailov,...) are using these techniques. So for me the question is: why are people unwilling to throw off the shackles of a single base point? I would welcome enlightenment. It may be that it is found just too hard to fit this idea into what is currently considered the `real world', and so to obtain new results. For example, what happens to iterated loop space theory, with more than one base point? Those interested in the sociology of science might like an excerpt from a lecture by Alan MacKay on icosahedral symmetry at the LMS in 1985. He said the reaction went through three phases: Phase 1) It is false. Phase 2) It is true, but unimportant. Phase 3) It is true, it is very important; and we have known it for years! All the best Ronnie [For admin and other information see: http://www.mta.ca/~cat-dist/ ]
Dear Bill and Ronnie, In the context of topos theory it is very natural to consider groupoids both for Galois toposes as for the van Kampen theorems. See Marta Bunge, "Galois groupoids and Covering Morphisms in Topos Theory", Fields Institute Communications, volume 4 (2004) 131-161. I will be happy to send anyone interested a pdf file of this paper. I quote from the Introduction: "Also in section 4 we introduce and study the notion of a Galois topos over an arbitrary base topos S. Although these relative Galois toposes are not assumed to be either connected or pointed, they come naturally equipped with a bag of points indexed by the connected components of a (non-connected) universal cover; this is in line with the view advocated by Grothendieck and Brown that, rather than a single base point, one ought to work with a suitable "paquet des points", for instance, one that is invariant under the symmetries in the given situation. This idea was naturally and independently incorporated into topos theory both by Kennison and myself, by discussing the fundamental groupoid of an unpointed (and possibly pointless) locally connected topos." The justification for these statements are given in detail in the paper. Here is the outline: 1. Introduction. 2. Locally constant objects in toposes. 3. Stack completions and the fundamental groupoid of a topos. 4. Galois groupoids and Galois toposes. 5. Locally paths simply connected toposes over an arbitrary base. 6. Generalized covering morphisms and a van Kampen theorem. References. With best regards, Marta ************************************************ Marta Bunge Professor Emerita Dept of Mathematics and Statistics McGill University 805 Sherbrooke St. West Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 2K6 Office: (514) 398-3810/3800 Home: (514) 935-3618 marta.bunge@mcgill.ca http://www.math.mcgill.ca/~bunge/ ************************************************ [For admin and other information see: http://www.mta.ca/~cat-dist/ ]
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